Comments on: Peaved! An Era Comes To An End http://619sports.net/1571/peaved-an-era-comes-to-an-end/ Local. San Diego. Sports. Sun, 14 Mar 2010 08:08:08 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: websoulsurfer http://619sports.net/1571/peaved-an-era-comes-to-an-end/comment-page-1/#comment-309 websoulsurfer Mon, 03 Aug 2009 21:03:18 +0000 http://619sports.net/?p=1571#comment-309 The Padres ARE a low revenue team. <br><br>They ranked 29th in media revenue and 16th in overall revenue.<br><br>That IS low revenue.<br><br>Do your homework before you come at me.<br><br>The Padres were able to win for 4 straight years because they had enough young players to trade away to bring in the guys that helped them win. So don't even try to trot out that tired argument that they had poor drafts. It just isn't true. The players they drafted and developed are dong just fine in other organizations.<br><br>And the Padres are doing a damn sight better than the other NL franchises with lower revenues, or would you like to be living in Pittsburgh, Milwaukee or Cincinnati where you may have to go a generation without a playoff berth?<br><br>I really like going to playoff games in 4 of the 14 years Moores has been the owner here. How many other NL franchises can say they did that? Only the Braves, Diamondbacks, Dodgers, Giants, Astros and Cardinals can. Certainly not ONE of the low revenue teams like the Padres.<br><br>And 2 playoffs and 4 winning seasons in the last 6. How many NL franchises can boast of that type of success? Braves, Cubs, Astros and Dodgers. High revenue, high payroll clubs.<br><br>So quit the whiney negative BS, because that is all it is. The Padres ARE a low revenue team.

They ranked 29th in media revenue and 16th in overall revenue.

That IS low revenue.

Do your homework before you come at me.

The Padres were able to win for 4 straight years because they had enough young players to trade away to bring in the guys that helped them win. So don't even try to trot out that tired argument that they had poor drafts. It just isn't true. The players they drafted and developed are dong just fine in other organizations.

And the Padres are doing a damn sight better than the other NL franchises with lower revenues, or would you like to be living in Pittsburgh, Milwaukee or Cincinnati where you may have to go a generation without a playoff berth?

I really like going to playoff games in 4 of the 14 years Moores has been the owner here. How many other NL franchises can say they did that? Only the Braves, Diamondbacks, Dodgers, Giants, Astros and Cardinals can. Certainly not ONE of the low revenue teams like the Padres.

And 2 playoffs and 4 winning seasons in the last 6. How many NL franchises can boast of that type of success? Braves, Cubs, Astros and Dodgers. High revenue, high payroll clubs.

So quit the whiney negative BS, because that is all it is.

]]> By: I Am Sure I Am Not Sure (I Think) http://619sports.net/1571/peaved-an-era-comes-to-an-end/comment-page-1/#comment-307 I Am Sure I Am Not Sure (I Think) Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:21:55 +0000 http://619sports.net/?p=1571#comment-307 [...] Ello isn’t happy with the deal. He raises some good points but makes a mistake here: It’s what bad baseball organizations [...] [...] Ello isn’t happy with the deal. He raises some good points but makes a mistake here: It’s what bad baseball organizations [...]

]]> By: FreakSammy http://619sports.net/1571/peaved-an-era-comes-to-an-end/comment-page-1/#comment-306 FreakSammy Mon, 03 Aug 2009 00:35:24 +0000 http://619sports.net/?p=1571#comment-306 The only problem is that the Padres continue to say they're building for the future, but as soon as the young players that are the future get good, THOSE players are then traded for the next "future". The very idea that they were willing to trade Adrian Gonzalez, who IS the future, to the first place Dodgers (along with the only other real major leaguer on the club, Heath Bell) proves the team has NO intent on ever being good. The only problem is that the Padres continue to say they're building for the future, but as soon as the young players that are the future get good, THOSE players are then traded for the next “future”. The very idea that they were willing to trade Adrian Gonzalez, who IS the future, to the first place Dodgers (along with the only other real major leaguer on the club, Heath Bell) proves the team has NO intent on ever being good.

]]> By: 619Sports http://619sports.net/1571/peaved-an-era-comes-to-an-end/comment-page-1/#comment-304 619Sports Sun, 02 Aug 2009 04:44:25 +0000 http://619sports.net/?p=1571#comment-304 The specious argument is to state that the Padres are a "low revenue" team like the Pirates or Reds. The Padres have had solid success at the box office since opening Petco Park, and the park was approved by voters in part thanks to the argument made by management that it would PREVENT Padres fans from experiencing these "low revenue" arguments anymore. <br><br>Six years after the driftwood seasons of 2002-2003, the Padres are right back where they were before, rebuilding with a 40 million dollar payroll that doesn't look to increase any time soon.<br><br>Poor drafting for years on end, Moores' divorce, and the dismantling of the payroll have put the Padres in their current pickle. Moving Peavy, who the team committed to just two offseasons ago, is a clear sign that times have changed. <br><br>Polyanna commentary aside, this franchise has drifted into the lower division of the National League thanks to mismanagement, so I cannot agree that the owner and front office deserve praise for building a team that will lose 90+ for the second straight year. <br><br>And it is certainly not "whining" for Padres fans, who are asked to pay through the nose, to be upset about the direction of the team.<br><br>I personally believe the Padres made a pretty good baseball deal moving Peavy, but it came as the result of the dark turn this franchise has taken the past 18 months. The specious argument is to state that the Padres are a “low revenue” team like the Pirates or Reds. The Padres have had solid success at the box office since opening Petco Park, and the park was approved by voters in part thanks to the argument made by management that it would PREVENT Padres fans from experiencing these “low revenue” arguments anymore.

Six years after the driftwood seasons of 2002-2003, the Padres are right back where they were before, rebuilding with a 40 million dollar payroll that doesn't look to increase any time soon.

Poor drafting for years on end, Moores' divorce, and the dismantling of the payroll have put the Padres in their current pickle. Moving Peavy, who the team committed to just two offseasons ago, is a clear sign that times have changed.

Polyanna commentary aside, this franchise has drifted into the lower division of the National League thanks to mismanagement, so I cannot agree that the owner and front office deserve praise for building a team that will lose 90+ for the second straight year.

And it is certainly not “whining” for Padres fans, who are asked to pay through the nose, to be upset about the direction of the team.

I personally believe the Padres made a pretty good baseball deal moving Peavy, but it came as the result of the dark turn this franchise has taken the past 18 months.

]]> By: Around the Mission: 8/1 Padres Links http://619sports.net/1571/peaved-an-era-comes-to-an-end/comment-page-1/#comment-302 Around the Mission: 8/1 Padres Links Sun, 02 Aug 2009 02:44:07 +0000 http://619sports.net/?p=1571#comment-302 [...] Peaved! An Era Comes To An EndSome say it’s sad. But, it’s a lot more than that. Trading Jake Peavy — having to trade Jake Peavy — puts into full focus just how far the Padres have fallen. [...] [...] Peaved! An Era Comes To An EndSome say it’s sad. But, it’s a lot more than that. Trading Jake Peavy — having to trade Jake Peavy — puts into full focus just how far the Padres have fallen. [...]

]]> By: websoulsurfer http://619sports.net/1571/peaved-an-era-comes-to-an-end/comment-page-1/#comment-303 websoulsurfer Sun, 02 Aug 2009 00:55:11 +0000 http://619sports.net/?p=1571#comment-303 Let me say it a different way, instead of a specious argument that because Peavy was traded the Padres days of winning are over, you should be talking about the 4 winning seasons in a row and 4 of the last 5 seasons.<br><br>You should be talking about the 4 playoff appearance in 14 seasons before 2009 for the Moores owned Padres after having only one in the first 25 years.<br><br>Instead you are doing what too many have done. Whine.<br><br>Whine about 2 losing seasons in the last 6.<br>Whine because a low revenue team has to rebuild instead of reload like a high revenue Yankee or Red Sox or Dodgers.<br><br>What you should be doing is praising the Owner and FO that has consistently delivered more winning than any other low revenue team in the NL.<br><br>Face it, with the revenue the Padres have, you could be watching the Pirates or Reds who haven't been to the playoffs in that period. Or even the Brewers who had 12 straight losing season prior to 207-2008. Let me say it a different way, instead of a specious argument that because Peavy was traded the Padres days of winning are over, you should be talking about the 4 winning seasons in a row and 4 of the last 5 seasons.

You should be talking about the 4 playoff appearance in 14 seasons before 2009 for the Moores owned Padres after having only one in the first 25 years.

Instead you are doing what too many have done. Whine.

Whine about 2 losing seasons in the last 6.
Whine because a low revenue team has to rebuild instead of reload like a high revenue Yankee or Red Sox or Dodgers.

What you should be doing is praising the Owner and FO that has consistently delivered more winning than any other low revenue team in the NL.

Face it, with the revenue the Padres have, you could be watching the Pirates or Reds who haven't been to the playoffs in that period. Or even the Brewers who had 12 straight losing season prior to 207-2008.

]]> By: websouslurfer http://619sports.net/1571/peaved-an-era-comes-to-an-end/comment-page-1/#comment-301 websouslurfer Sun, 02 Aug 2009 00:42:37 +0000 http://619sports.net/?p=1571#comment-301 6 of the 7 "Boom" years have come since Moores bought the team in 94. 6 of the 7 “Boom” years have come since Moores bought the team in 94.

]]> By: websouslurfer http://619sports.net/1571/peaved-an-era-comes-to-an-end/comment-page-1/#comment-300 websouslurfer Sun, 02 Aug 2009 00:40:58 +0000 http://619sports.net/?p=1571#comment-300 Peavy had a 4.52 ERA his first year and a 4.11 ERA in his first full season.<br><br>That is ok, but not special. Peavy had a 4.52 ERA his first year and a 4.11 ERA in his first full season.

That is ok, but not special.

]]> By: Bowen http://619sports.net/1571/peaved-an-era-comes-to-an-end/comment-page-1/#comment-299 Bowen Sat, 01 Aug 2009 22:25:41 +0000 http://619sports.net/?p=1571#comment-299 Very few times are we able to have the privilege to have a pitcher of the height Jake Peavy chiseled, yes, we did have a Kevin and the team went to the MLB Big Dance, but few Padres have worn this team´s uniform with the name of our town across their chest as Peavy did, with the dignity he did, his true commitment for excellence, his pride, this fierce warrior is not playing for us anymore, I, along with tents of thousands of other fans will miss him while rooting for him when he is pitching for that AL team, the White Sox. Jake set the bar much too high for an average pitcher to reach and I believe that is good for everyone.<br><br>Jake, thank you for the thrills, thank you for the memories, have a great career you will not be forgotten in San Diego. <br><br>Bowen Very few times are we able to have the privilege to have a pitcher of the height Jake Peavy chiseled, yes, we did have a Kevin and the team went to the MLB Big Dance, but few Padres have worn this team´s uniform with the name of our town across their chest as Peavy did, with the dignity he did, his true commitment for excellence, his pride, this fierce warrior is not playing for us anymore, I, along with tents of thousands of other fans will miss him while rooting for him when he is pitching for that AL team, the White Sox. Jake set the bar much too high for an average pitcher to reach and I believe that is good for everyone.

Jake, thank you for the thrills, thank you for the memories, have a great career you will not be forgotten in San Diego.

Bowen

]]> By: bobbym51 http://619sports.net/1571/peaved-an-era-comes-to-an-end/comment-page-1/#comment-298 bobbym51 Sat, 01 Aug 2009 18:43:20 +0000 http://619sports.net/?p=1571#comment-298 Chris wrote: "How do you make a trade to “save your franchise” by trading the guy who saved your franchise?"<br><br>Indeed! I've been a fan of San Diego baseball since '76 so I have become accustomed to the cycle of boom and bust, the problem being that I have seen only 3 booms totaling 7 years or so and 27 years of mediocrity.<br><br>Why do I stay interested? I don't know for sure, but maybe it is because I lived in Cleveland before '75 and put up with the Indians for 10 long years. When a person gets abused for so long they begin to think that the abuse is normal. Chris wrote: “How do you make a trade to “save your franchise” by trading the guy who saved your franchise?”

Indeed! I've been a fan of San Diego baseball since '76 so I have become accustomed to the cycle of boom and bust, the problem being that I have seen only 3 booms totaling 7 years or so and 27 years of mediocrity.

Why do I stay interested? I don't know for sure, but maybe it is because I lived in Cleveland before '75 and put up with the Indians for 10 long years. When a person gets abused for so long they begin to think that the abuse is normal.

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