• Justin
    What a load of crap! I'm not against blaming AJ in fact I'm all for it but don't let Norv off the hook. Losing to the Steelers in Pittsburgh is one thing but looking horrible for 5 weeks now and getting beaten at home after a bye week on national television is just not acceptable. I guarantee you put the same players in the hands of Bill Cowher, Tony Dungy or Marty Schottenheimer and they would get more out of them. Coaching is about leading, motivating and getting through to the souls of men. Norv thinks coaching is about x's and o's. In the NFL you can't just draw it up and then say "ok now do it." Coaching is about passion and finding ways to make men live up to and exceed their abilities. Right now there is no passion and players are not playing up to their abilities and certainly not exceeding them. Sheep without a good shepherd are just lost.
  • 619Sports
    Right...and who selected Norv as the head coach? And who is it that has to be the alpha dog, to the point that he ran off a strong-personality head coach and will never hire one to replace him? That would be A.J. Talking about Cowher, Dungy, Marty, Gruden, etc, and what they would do with the Chargers, totally ignores the fact that AJ would never hire a coach who would stand up to him or command the spotlight.

    Hence, if you want to bash Norv...aim higher!
  • Charger_Case
    Fantastic post Craig! I value your sports opinion more than any other in this town. I'm facing the cold reality that Chargers are not as deep and talented and tough as I thought they were. I'm still living in the past from their dominating 2006 season, and expecting a repeat. I think losing HC Marty, DC Wade, OC Cam, OC-in-waiting Chudzinski and DC-in-waiting Manusky after that 14-2 year is a core reason that we 'lost' our identity, and it's been impossible for AJ to adequately replace those guys. It's now reflected in the sagging production from the players.
  • randplaty
    Disagree completely. Coaching can't make that big of a difference? You got to be kidding me. If you've watched a lot of high school teams you should know that certain coaches put together championship seasons year after year, decade after decade, no matter what type of talent comes into their ranks.

    Is this week to week coaching? No. That's not what Norv lacks. Norv lacks long term coaching and player development. Norv does not teach.

    This starts in training camp. It starts in rookie camp. It is knowing and understanding a player's development over years. It requires a long term strategic vision which you admitted you did not understand when talking about the KT firing. This is what Norv lacks.

    The team starts out slow in the beginning of games AND in the beginning of the year consistently. What does that show you? Norv is not teaching and not disciplining the team. He is not simulating game environments. He is not pushing his team hard.

    Under Marty every year draft picks would become a standout star. Examples, Dielman, Gates, Sproles, Hardwick, McNeil. Under Norv, these same players deteriorated. You claim that the draft picks are AJ's fault? Well has Norv developed any players under any other GM in his previous stints as head coach?

    Look at Marty. Under 4 different GMs he has ALWAYS developed players. Low draft picks have ALWAYS become stars under Marty.

    I don't think this is a coincidence.
  • Agree with most of comment except the part where you failed to mention who hired the guy that does not teach or discipline his team.
  • 619Sports
    ...and Marty didn't last in SD in large part because he and A.J. Smith couldn't get along. Smith can't abide having a strong personality/alpha dog head coach. So, he interviews Mike Singletary, Rex Ryan and Norv Turner and winds up picking Norv.

    Norv is who he is and he's not going to change. But for everyone who is crying to bring in Cowher or Gruden, understand that A.J. would never allow a strong personality coach like that to run the team.

    This is why I say aim higher with the criticism.
  • podpeople
    one can go on and on about what the problems are with this chargers team, especially on the defensive side of the ball. What I'd like to hear is what the coaching staff has in mind to fix it, or what Aj could do regarding the personnel. IF no changes are made, additions, or additions by subtraction, I feel this team is just going to unravel. then again, I've been wrong before.
  • Can we ban from the media's lexicon the following phrase: "The Chargers are one of the most talented teams in the NFL".

    They are not even close. There are some phenomenal skill players on offense but the roster consists of 53 players and they're just not that good. Cro is one of the biggest jokes in the NFL, and the list of pretenders goes on.

    Effective tackling requires 100% commitment from a defensive player. Anything less than 100% yields a broken tackle and a big gain. So when you choose NOT to get your head stuck in there it reveals something very important about that player's character; a complete lack of heart. There are too few players who are committed on defense and that is an AJ problem, because he brought these jokers in here. He's captaining the Titanic right now.

    I'll reiterate what has already been posted here regarding the Norv side of the equation. If our offense actually got it going in the first quarter and attacked from the get go, scoring points in bursts, we'd give our defense a little help. Our offense IS capable of coming out and scoring at will; yet we don't. If we actually played with a lead we might eliminate the opposition's running game forcing them to rely on lower percentage passes to catch up to us.....(although that does leave a QB to pick on Cro.)

    But no. Norv doesn't seem to be able to make the adjustments necessary for a team that is deficient in so many areas. The start of each game is a Norv problem and without a lead we'll continue to have frustrating games to watch for the rest of the season.

    ....and the knock against the Poway Titans was completely out of line, Craig. The real Titans are in Poway!
  • dfinley
    This is so dead on the money it should be mandatory reading for all Charger fans. AJ Smith was lucky early on and stumbled on to some gems. But he ended up thinking he knew everything and started replacing parts of a winning team with shlock. He hasn't had a good draft in three years. He picked Norv and Cotrell which are monumental mistakes. He has let our O and D lines wither to crap with unsuitable depth. He let the best O-line coach we ever had go to Miami over a relatively small amount of salary. He is responsible for the crap that is our secondary (with the exception of Jammer).

    In short, he was smart enough to build this team into a contender, and stupid enough to run it into the ground.

    Now it's up to the Spanos' to recognize the folly and get San Diego the management team IT DESERVES.
  • I definitely agree with AJ being partially at fault - not just for assembling the defense (though I do like what I see in some of his acquisitions like Cooper-Burnett-English-even Ngwabuo) but I think for pushing so heavily for Norv Turner to be hired. I can not believe that Spanos saw Mike Singletary, Rex Ryan and Norv Turner and truly honestly believed that Turner was the better choice. AJ has gotten cocky as of late in his own ability and in his players, not selecting very well and making at times ridiculous trades. So yeah he deserves the blame as well as Norv.
  • steveadler76
    Damn Right! I know Marty isn't coming back, but I think the Spanos family needs to step up. AJ to Marty was = to Bethard to Ross. I say we bring in Bill Cowher, no doubt this guy can make some things happen and is a proven success.
  • jeffpack
    I fully agree that defensively, the Chargers were over-matched last night.
    But my issue with Norv is the general mindset of this team. For the opening of the past two seasons, this team has repeatedly shown no fire, no passion. Nearly every team has driven to score and over the last 20 games, since 2008, the Chargers are without a touchdown. This team starts slow, basically Norv seems content to get punched in the face first.
    Now, I dunno about you, but that speaks to motivation. And don't talk to me about "these players get paid enough blah, blah" because you see and unbridled desperation and desire throughout the league's teams. But not the Chargers, as Norv says, its a work in progress.
    Norv, this is not an experiment. Norv, your work is on display 16 times per season. Norv, there is no wait and see in football. Maybe at the quarterback position you need poise and patience. But you are the leader of an entire team -- motivate, find that sense of desperation somewhere -- before the third quarter begins.
    This is the same season as last season. Its begun exactly the same. "We can't run the ball," "the defense just isn't getting it done." Well, we fired the D coordinator last year, when the Chargers got desperate. When is this head coach going to determine that beating the teams they should beat and getting pushed around by the teams that have quality IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
    Look, Norv is what he is.
    + He's an analytical, patient coach = the Chargers are a reactionary team, only responding with fire when their backs' are against the wall.
    + He's a quarterbacks coach = Well, our quarterback is playing above reproach, yet the running game is uninspired and lacks creativity (see Cam Cameron and Baltimore).
    + He's a career .500 coach = the Chargers are a .500 team under his leadership.
    Then again, maybe that's good enough for this team. Maybe all the fans, all the pundits, all the writers were wrong. Maybe the Chargers are a .500 team after all like Norv says.
  • 619sportsfan
    Good post Craig. I think you're right. The defense is the far bigger issue here. The secondary looked lost in Pittsburgh. There seem to be communication issues with blown coverages and Cromartie looks absolutely clueless out there. Santonio Holmes wasn't calling out the Chargers corners when he said they're just a couple guys; he was just telling the truth.
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